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We have received the following press release from Michael Moulding the Deputy Leader of the Community Action Party and a campaigner to stop ASDA building on the burial site of the former Unitarian Free Church in Swinton.

Michael Moulding, It is with sad news to report that after extensive efforts by campaigners to trace the relatives of the last burial within the 50 year ruling, with no explanation given, we have been informed the family are not objecting to their relatives being exhumed to prevent this happening.

Video: Swinton burial ground threatened by ASDA

Therefore, Asda are within their rights to commence exhumation from the 3rd August 2012. Due to reasons within other families, it is also becoming more unlikely that legal action will not be take, but will receive confirmation of this on Tuesday evening.

In the event this is confirmed, our campaign to save the burial ground, I am sad to say in consultation with Gillian our Chair, we believe its over. The campaign has made a massive difference. Relatives were traced that would not have been traced, the deceased identities in death were respected as in life ie they are to be reinterred in their hometown rather than outside their hometown as was orginally planned and we have provided much needed support to relatives and will continue to do so.

Row erupts over Swinton ASDA

My position on this, as the one who initiated the campaign, in consultation with our Chair is - WE fully respect the decisions of the families in extremely difficult circumstances. Our only course of action is to take legal action that would have given us a chance or for the last relative to make an official complaint.

If none of these are possible, then I and our Chairperson, on behalf of the Group will announce a defeat in dignity and to say the campaign to protect the burial ground is over.

Read all 140+ comments as Swinton ASDA 'done deal' row escalates

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  18th July 2012 I ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY GIVE UP !!!!!!!!!!

Comment by mary ferrer ( member )  17th July 2012 Mr Moulding, if you phone 01253849849 the land registry at Lytham St Anns, they will tell you how to find out the ownership of any land. They will also be able to give you any details of covernants on the land. There will be a charge for the service. But it maybe well worth it.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  17th July 2012 George197 - Only Salford Council would be able to provide us with this information. However, I too have concerns about ownership of land. However, the land was handed to Salford Council for a fee of around £3,000 back in around 1985 I am led to believe. It should never have been removed from public ownership after this. WE are told the land is in private ownership, hence, the current proposals. My thoughts are not demands but more that many believe it is the decent thing to do. I am sure if Salford Council had the will, it could be achieved. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by George197 ( member )  16th July 2012 You are still avoiding answering the last question I asked you. Until such time that the OWNERSHIP of the land is still TRULY unknown ??? you have no LEGAL right to make such a demand. George197.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  15th July 2012 The deceased should be allowed to rest in peace. The land should be cared for and treasured as a heritage site. The area converted into a remembrance garden and used as a public open space and a memorial marking the site. That is the decent thing to do.

Comment by Guest  15th July 2012 "In memory of those dug up by Asda in pursuit of profit". Nice idea Barnettt, but I can't see the council going for it...

Comment by barnettt ( member )  13th July 2012 I wondered if campaign members would think it appropriate to have a memorial erected adjacent to the town hall to give family members a place to commune with the deceased. I understand that it does not compensate, however it does seem only right and proper that there is this opportunity within the vicinity not miles away.

Comment by Ex Seadog ( member )  13th July 2012 Oooops. agreeing.

Comment by Ex Seadog ( member )  13th July 2012 I'm agree you Hiram... we've exchanged a few comments in the past. Not always agreeing with each other, but always in a courteous way. Like you, I rarely post comments now, as I don't want to be associated with such embarrassing stupidity.

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  13th July 2012 I asked days ago (when the press release statement was issued by Michael Moulding) for it to be removed as it mentions me by name and contains utter untruths SO PLEASE DO DELETE MR EDITOR . Many thanks

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  13th July 2012 George197 - very good question and it still remains unanswered in detail. However, I have diaried a conversation with an officer from Urban Vision (a subsidiary of Salford Council). In courtesy I will not reveal his name. However, when i asked him why would a Council sell a burial ground that was in their ownership and no doubt trust put in them to care for it, he responded by saying that they sold it in order to help the Council balance their books. His exact words. My observations from this it tells me everything you need to know about the ethics of this Council and those managing it when they are prepared to sell a burial ground in order for it to balance its books. Disgraceful. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Hiram Abiff ( member )  13th July 2012 It's not just this thread that should go but the people who are making the forums a place to avoid. I used to enjouy sharing comments with other readers (as did many others) but I haven't bothered for weeks due to the site having become the place for the same people to bicker and posture. You know who they are Ed, get rid of them all...

Comment by George197 ( member )  13th July 2012 I agree with the Editor - For the past six months or more I have been following this "whoha" (for want of a better word), it has varied from the sublime to the stupidity of a slanging match. One question which continues to come back to me STILL has to be answered in my opinion - When the embarrassnent of the former 'Burial Ground Swinton Unitarian Ground Rent' Deficiency in the Revenue Account of the Town Hall was discovered in those days long ago, HOW and WHEN was it CLEARED and by WHOM was it purchased and for HOW MUCH ?? George197

Comment by Winston Smith ( member )  13th July 2012 Every few months, when I get a quiet moment, I check back in to this thread to still if it's still grinding on - wasn't it originally about Asda digging up a burial ground or something?

Comment by Editor ( member )  13th July 2012 I agree. If this childishness does not stop immediately this thread will be terminated

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  13th July 2012 I am saddened by all this nastiness , name calling and backbiting. This has turned into just a thread for people to call other people. I am respectfully requesting that all this stops and stops immediately. We are here to fight for the 313 people buried at the burial ground and nothing else.

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  13th July 2012 Haha dont bother checking your diary, you are NOT getting an invite from the Organisers.Period.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  12th July 2012 Salford & Proud - If I receive an invite from those organising I will consider attending a vigil dependant on my availability at the time. However, if you click the first link on this very article is a very good video by Salfordonline that was made at the first vigil which I organised, attended and spoke to those that attended. I am the bloke in the white jacket with a slap head and the person helping Dorothy Tildsley author of "Remembrance - Recollections of a War time Childhood in Swinton" lay flowers, whom I invited. If you see the video and listen to Dorothy and her husband you will know why I have initiated this campaign and you and many others have the audacity to question my motives, in these circumstances than criticise the grubby decision to develop a burial ground and take 13 grand in the process - Salford Labour & Salford Council. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  12th July 2012 Myself and the Community Action Party can be no laughing stock when we exposed the shabby dealings of Salford Council on this matter, then got significant improvements and assurances, and ensured the Commonwealth War Graves Commission were informed of the risk to the War Grave. Our work resulted in families being found, whom many would not have known what was happening to their relatives if it was not for the publicity that was given on the issue. It is only in my role in the Community Action Party that I was able to provide such assistance. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Salford and Proud ( member )  12th July 2012 Mr Moulding or Mr Green whatever name you are calling yourself, firstly please grow up. Then hopefully learn to spell correctly, Gaul? you do mean gall I assume, Secondly let the matter drop you are making things worse for yourself and the CAP and you are becoming a laughing stock, stop claiming all the credit for yourself on what is a really sensitive matter, this is not a time for point scoring. Will you be there next Saturday and observe the Circle of Rememberance with all like minded, decent Swinton people, I would like to think so.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  12th July 2012 Mr Barnett - You have the gaul to abuse me yet you call the decision to develop a burial ground which results in the removal of 313 from thir final resting place and the organisation that approved the development intends to take a grubby 13 grand and you call this a process without criticism ? Your reverse psychology doesnt work Mr Barnett ? Next..........Michael Moulding DEputy leader Community Action Party

Comment by barnettt ( member )  12th July 2012 Alter Egos? I was born with this name,it can be verified by birth certificate if necessary. I sought only to ask you to be respectful to the people involved in this process. It saddens me that you bring yourself in to further disrepute with this paranoid egotism. Please let it be!

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  12th July 2012 For those that wish to check my full involvement and history of the campaign to preserve the former Swinton Unitarian Burial Ground can check www.mikemouldingcommunity-action.over-blog.com. Than believe political statements via "alter ego's" whom many are politicians themselves but havnt got the guts to admit it. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  12th July 2012 Barnett - Another alter ego ! When you reveal your identity I will give you the courtesy of a decent reply. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by barnettt ( member )  12th July 2012 Dear Michael Moulding, I am unaware of your political and personal history. I have however followed the case of the Asda / burial ground situation with keen interest. I believe there are valid points to both sides of the argument. You however seem to have lost sight of your role and I would respectfully ask you to consider your recent conduct. Taking serious local issues and using them as a vehicle to air your grievances with the council and point score is contemptuous. Please can you retreat gracefully and allow the campaigns to play themselves out in a dignified manner. Kind regards.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  12th July 2012 To be honest i have lost my patience with you too Steve Langham. One minute you are slagging me off the next you are sending me text messages "taking your hat off to me!" You have achieved absolutely nothing. All of the improvements, guarantees and relevant organisations became involved because of the work I have done. The Community Action Party are fully opposed to the removal of even one inch of the burial ground. If it goes the blame lay fairly and squarely with Salford Labour. The fact is it is Salford Labour playing politics. They have done nothing to save the burial ground. Salford Labour have held out their grubby hands and took £13,000 from grubby capitalist Asda knowing as a result 313 Swintonians would be exhumed. Their crass insensitivity to the deceased, the families and the town of Swinton was they were even going to reinter the remains outside Swinton, until I intervened. Not you, nor anybody else. The campaign was made public by me as reported in the Salford Advertiser. I am sure if you get the relevant edition you will see my mug in it. However, I have said all along we have campaigned for preservation but we cannot save it. I am not in that position to, hence my withdrawal 3 weeks before possible exhumation for the reasons I have outlined on my blog. www.mikemouldingcommunity-action.over-blog.com The Community Action Party are fully opposed to the removal of any part of the burial ground. We will not accept any compromises. We wont be in the laps of Salford Labour who takes a grubby 13 grand which thy know results in 313 deceased Swintonians being moved from their final resting place. You despite the much criticism and others have rightly given Salford Labour have gone to them as a last ditch attempt. You have done the right thing. Reason ? Its only them that have the power to save the burial ground. They overwhelmingly control Salford Council. I hold a text message from you which was sent to you by Salford Labour Councillor Balkind who has said that he will ask Salford Council to send back the application for reconsideration. He has a choice. He can stick by his word or his electorate will be informed of his betrayal and false hope that he has given to everyone. Will Salford Labour support him or come up with a load of big fat excuses and try to appease you all with excuses and crumbs of comfort or will they redeem themselves out of a big hole and stop what they have decided - A development of a burial ground. The Community Action Party has still in place a "Save our Swinton" campaign and as far as I am concerned any removal of 1 inch of this burial ground is a further kick in the teeth of true SWintonians who are completely dismayed at Salford Labour destruction of this proud town. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  12th July 2012 The answer is extremely simple Steve. The Community Action Party have sought the preservation of the burial ground for the right and proper reasons. We have accepted our limitations and said we cannot save it. This is fact. Howver, it was OUR campaign that made people and families aware of the situation. I am not going over history. The Labour Party control Salford City Council, overwhelmingly. Everyone in Salford knows this. If the burial ground goes its their responsibility. You are now in full support of Councillor Balkind, a Labour Councillor. There are no excuses. Michael Moulding, Deputy leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  12th July 2012 Here here barnett

Comment by barnettt ( member )  12th July 2012 Dear Steve, Good luck with your campaign. It is good to see people sticking up for their beliefs in a respectful and dignified manner. It is unfortunate that some individuals would seek to make political mileage in an unpleasant fashion on the back of this. Also to all the armchair critics out there, leaving unbalanced comments / trolling on the internet achieves very little. Join a party, go to the meetings, vote and have a real say on how the council run things!

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  12th July 2012 thanks for the hint Michael, however I will not deny or confirm on this site so you can once again seek to gain political gain. Forgive me, but I am sure you stated that you and your political party had withdrawn from the campaign...well perhaps I dreamt it. Assumming my dream was true, why are you now so interested in what Councillor Balkind may or not do.??? Oh yes I am getting it now...it will give you a political angle......OK FOR THE LAST TIME, AND I AM REALLY LOSING PATIENCE WITH PEOPLE....This campaign is a genuine campaign to stop an obscene act,our support groups speak for the people of Swinton but more importantly the surviving relatives who we continue to support. Anyone with any other agenda please take along look at yourself, taking advantage of a situation like this is unforgivable.If the worst happens then my toughts are with the families, however people viewing these posts will NOT forget those that sought to gain political gain on the back of it. Now leave it alone to those that really care. Steve, Swinton Unitarian Preservation Campaign.

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  12th July 2012 Did I see Crewe mentioned ? Well that is very interesting

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  11th July 2012 Are you all still waiting for my announcement of "Defeat in dignity ?" Well if you are you will all have a very very long wait !!!!! And why have SalfordOnline still not removed the lying press release that started all this rubbish ?????????????????

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  11th July 2012 Sick of seeing comments by "Michael Moulding Deputy Leader of The Community Action Party" Big flippin deal Give it a bloody rest

Comment by mary ferrer ( member )  11th July 2012 Why are you putting all your eggs in one basket, (Cllr Balkind) there are other councillors.So may I ask why don't we all send emails to our elected councillors 3 per ward 60 in total and tell them we want them to stand up for the people who will not be allowed to rest in peace at full council.We have till next Wednsaday. Lets see if they do what they have been elected to do SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE OF SALFORD. mARY Ferrer

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 I think the position has been made very clear. Back onto the issues. Steve - Chair of SWinton Unitarian Preservation Campaign - Can you please confirm to avoid any further allegations that I am making other porkies up LOL - Please confirm you received a text message from Councillor Howard Balkind which confirmed that he had agreed to ask Salford Council at its next full meeting to refer the Asda Planning application back to the Planning panel, which could result in helpful delay or possible cessastion of the exhumation process and tretention of the burial ground and that you forwarded me the text message confirming the promise he made in response to the agreement made at a recent campaign meeting ? It seems Councillor Balkind may be going back on this promise and in doing so he says he has your full support ? In these circumstances I am sure he doesnt. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader Community Action Party

Comment by Salford and Proud ( member )  11th July 2012 Unbeliavable, you deny being you, and yet a moment later Mr Green pops up with a cretinish excuse about being away for a few days. Michael turn it in.

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  11th July 2012 Sorry I have not been able to comment. I have been away for a few days and its only a flying visit am afraid. Joe Green

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Salford & Proud - You better read the blogs below because you have been exposed :) I have already said I do not post as Joe Green. We can carry on the debate until the cows come home. Michael Moulding

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Quote from Salfordonline "A local councillor has lambasted a political rival for failing to take account of legal issues over criticism of plans to build a new supermarket in Swinton. Howard Balkind, councillor for Swinton South, says that Michael Moulding who began a campaign to stop ASDA building a new superstore because of a disused burial ground, is not helping the relatives he purports to represent." Who is being political Councillor Balkind ? The Community Action Party have so far secured very important improvements from the original plans for the deceased and families. You have achieved nothing Councillor Balkind. This is not political but fact. All you and your party has so far secured is the destruction of the burial ground. We look forward to you keeping to your promise as I am sure are the residents you represent in SWinton South ward. Michael Moulding, Deputy leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Salford and Proud ( member )  11th July 2012 A couple of comments, Mr Moulding please do not go on this forum when you are how shall we say merry with a light ale or two, it really shows, we all know that you are Mr Green, big deal, so what, you were playing devils advocate and got caught out, and joanne2 you make loads of sense which makes me think that you are not Richard Carvarth!(hopefully) Anyway get ASDA in perspective and stop the squabbling, playground behaviour to say the least.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Councillor Howard Balkind - I have received a text message from you via a campaigner which gives a clear promise. That at the next full meeting of Salford Council, you will request that the Asda planning application is returned back to the planning panel for reconsideration. The next full meeting of Salford Council is July 18th. Our party expects you to stand by your word on this extremely important matter. An email has been sent you you to this effect. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Joanne2 - I fully support your position not to reveal your full identity. My point being only that its unfair of you to seek mersoanl and private matters of mine when you in your blogging do not reveal your idnetity. Everyone knows who I am lol and I accept your comment to move on the matter to the real issues. Best wishes Michael Moulding

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 Michael - your last comment is barely comprehensible. I think you had a good point in the first place with the subject of the article before you brought out your imaginary friend to back you up and detract from it. I agree with the other commenters that it's disrespectful to the nature of the article to continue to squabble, derail the comment thread and flog a dead horse and I'm sorry I lost sight of that last night. I only got into this conversation last night because I couldn't sleep and my plans for today don't involve having a petty argument on the internet. I'm not sure why I would want to put my full identity on the internet with the number of unstable cranks out there. Richard Carvath made the same request of me and I'm just not really sure why I would want to.

Comment by Cllr Howard Balkind ( member )  11th July 2012 Fellow campaigners. I hope you will all appreciate that I have been working behind the scenes. I just wanted to advise you that I have been liaising with the two chairs out of the public eye and they are both fully aware of my position. Michael Moulding as I have always indicated has always wanted to make this a political and from the correspondence he has e-mailed me today his actions are confirmed. I am not prepared to be drawn in by him in making the re-interment of the bodies of the Unitarian Graveyard political. I will not make anymore comment in Salford on line about the subject. If anyone wishes to contact me please feel free to do so through my council email address. information available on the council website Regards Cllr Howard Balkind Swinton South

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Joanne2 - I have left a message twice for others to read which is far more important than your repeated obsession with my personal details. Perhaps Salfordonline could ensure all psuedonyms are scrapped. If you like, only one person from one IP address, it would certainly rule out a lot of alter ego's from the Labour Party, Labour supporters and Labour Councillors. You have to provide all your details when registering, including a contact telephone number that will certainly clear any problems. However, you dont and even if some blogged from the same IP address so what ? The persons you are harrassing my dear with your very fishy comments have provided more details than you have, as I exposed a few hours ago. Now stop being a hypocrite and instead reveal your full identity ? Alter ego Joanne2 ! Michael Moulding

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 I wonder if it might be worth S.O. implementing a feature where partial IP addresses are viewable by everyone to stop people going so far with the pseudonym thing? It does a lot to derail comment threads and discredit a person when they get caught in lies no matter how much they try to dodge questions and use fallacious arguments (ad hominem, straw man...) afterwards.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Mary - I understand your sentiments but we have now withdrawn having achieved much for the reasons we have stated. However, I still hold a text message that says Councillor Howard Balkind will be asking Salford Council to refer the matter back at the next full meeting of Salford Council. Best wishes Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader Community Action Party

Comment by mary ferrer ( member )  11th July 2012 What a sad day. All I can see on here is pickering and do we care who Joe Greer is. I for one don't. The big issue has been lost.In a few weeks time Asda may come on site and remove these people who should be left to rest in peace.PLEASE stop this daft silly behaviour and ALL PULL TOGETHER.We need to try and stop this crime against these people who no longer can have a say. Has anyone got or can get a copy of the deeds to this land.We need to see what is on these deeds.Use your energy by doing sitins wreath laying.Anything that will keep the press interested.Be positive and use the energy some of you are using on here to guess whos who and KEEP FIGHTING. Whats that saying " it's not over till the fat lady sings" Mary Ferrer. and it is me just had a look in the mirror.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Joanne2 Quote - "Are you saying Joe lives in the same house as you?" If I have given my address as Swinton and Mr Joe Green has given his address as Crewe so then why are you asking whether we live in the same house ? Do you want to know whether I live in two houses and share my time between Crewe and Swinton ? Would you like the pro-ratio's ? Whom I am with ? Whom I travel with ? My mode of transport ? What time I have a crap ? What time I have breakfast ? What I have for breakfast ? You are all verging on the ridiculous ! And the sad reality is while I give my name at the end of most comments I make, everyone knows who I am, yet the majority of you asking me these silly questions dont even have the guts to reveal your own identities ? I will be making NO further comments. Michael Moulding

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  11th July 2012 Well grow up and stop back biting and commenting then !!!!!!!

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Because for all I care you could have a dozen blogging from your IP address. I am really not that interested. Michael Moulding

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  11th July 2012 Blimey it is just getting more and more childish on here :@:@

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 Why don't you ask the editors whether my IP address is the same as anyone else's on here when they wake up?

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 and you are confirmed as Joanne ? Is it Joanne ? Whats your surname and date of birth and where do you live ? Please dont answer, I have no desire nor do I have the right to know. Nor have you confirmed anything including that Joanne is not your alter ego ? I have made my position clear. Michael Moulding

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 And a person's point is invalid if they haven't provided their full name and date of birth? My goodness. Shades of Richard Carvath.

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 "There are households in every street, area, district, town, city, region, country and all over the World that share computers do they not?" Are you saying Joe lives in the same house as you?

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Joanne2 - Matching IP addresses is not compelling evidence. There are households in every street, area, district, town, city, region, country and all over the World that share computers do they not ? Your questioning and that of others is almost saying if I dont reveal any associations I may or may not have then I am a guilty man, yet you give no details whatsoever - You could be Tony Flynn for example in disguise ? Michael Moulding

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 I know I've only put my first name. Matching IP addresses are far more compelling than any spurious names and D.O.B's a person has filled in and I'm not sure "confirmed" is the right word. You have stated that you are different people with no evidence, when matching IP addresses provide compelling evidence to the contrary, what you have done is claimed you are different people, not confirmed it.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Not at all Joanne2. You are making allegations which I have confirmed on numerous occasions are not true and used the word saying they are fishy. I have replied not as fishy as yours. It seems Mr Beaton has given his name and date and birth and when I checked yours you have just confirmed your name as Joanne and provided no more information ? Michael Moulding

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 Such a vague ad hominem attack.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Not at all Joanne2. Not as fishy as you. Michael Moulding

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 Oh, actually I just looked on google maps but the same IP address still means you're both using the same computer if you even are two different people which seems a bit dubious to say the least. If you're both in the same room, wouldn't it be easier to talk to each other?

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 Two people share the same IP address. One is in Swinton. One is in Crewe. Uh-huh. Nothing fishy about that. :-/

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Quote by Jerry "Very simple this one. Who are you then Joe, how old are you, where do you work, do you live in Salford? Which school did you go to? Are you in the phone book?" Are you a hypocrite Jerry ? Michael Moulding

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 There are no discrepancies Joanne2. Michael Moulding

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Joanne2 - worked this time and Joanne is the only detail you have provided on this. Michael Moulding

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Your details did not come up. Keyed them in 3 times. But will try again. Michael Moulding

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 How can I be "no longer a member"? I'm logged in right now.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 joanne2 - No longer a member. la bruja - Sue Tydd. Jerry - No description. Salford & Proud - James Fearnon D of B - 05/06/1973. Thanks Joanne2. :) I have confirmed the position on several occasions. Michael Moulding

Comment by joanne2 ( member )  11th July 2012 When "Joe Green" says SalfordOnline "hold his personal details", I think he's referring to the fake name, location and D.O.B. he filled in in the members area. It says he's John Beaton of Crewe born in 1972. The Michael Moulding ID's say he's from Swinton and born in 1968. I think the discrepancy in locations should put paid to the hilarious "Oh, it wasn't me. I just have a housemate who coincidentally shares the same opinions as me" excuse that people sometimes roll out when they're caught doing this type of thing.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  11th July 2012 Steve - For the reasons mentioned. Confirmed on www.mikemouldingcommunity-action.over-blog.com Also, you got confirmation from Councillor Howard Balkind that he is to ask Salford Council to refer the matter back ? I have a copy of the text message which you sent me so I assume he is keeping by his word ? Michael Moulding, Deputy leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  11th July 2012 Hello All, briefly if the editor states that those messages came from the same I.P. Address then its the same computer, not rocket science. OK The swinton Unitarian preservation campaign and the fighting to save the unitarian burial ground groups met tonight. Contrary to Salford Online headlines, CAMPAIGNERS HAVE NOT GIVEN UP THE FIGHT....albeit the community action party have. Going forward, the support groups move forward hand in hand with the support of the families affected. yes we do recognise that its seems to be an uphill battle now, however we will not throw in the towel just yet. To this end there is a CIRCLE OF REMEMBRANCE on SATURDAY 21st July at the Burial site, 11.30am for 12 Noon. Yes this may be the last time we have to respect those resting in peace whilst also showing our collective disgust at Salford Council for allowing it to happen. Both support groups are UNITED so lets please have a show of support. Local press will be invited. Thanks, Steve, Swinton Unitarian Preservation Campaign.

Comment by paladinopus ( member )  11th July 2012 If MM & JG are posting from the same IP address and they are not the same person I think we can assume they are co-habiting.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  10th July 2012 Salford & Proud - I am not Joe Green. I am going nowhere. My/Our campaigns will be continued with renewed vigour in Swinton & Salford. Best wishes Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Salford and Proud ( member )  10th July 2012 Michael, sorry Joe, once again you have turned a question on its head by ignoring the issue and changing it all together to suit your diktat. Just admit you are Mr Green and move on, you have been caught out and move on, preferably from the Swinton area where you have caused such damage with your ego and bombastic points of view.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  10th July 2012 I think I have got my years wrong. It must have been around 1994. Time soon passes. MM

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  10th July 2012 Just one selected article that confirms what I have said. "Archive - Friday, 22 October 1999 Find by date PrevNext JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec19951996199719981999200020012002200320042005200620072008200920102011. Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 . Other ways to search Advanced search Site map Also look for Jobs Homes Cars Buy & Sell Events Buy photos Advertise Never miss anything again. Sign up for our RSS news feeds and Newsletters. Ads by Google Turf. Turf. Turf. Turf Beautiful Seed Grown Turf Lowest Prices Online Next Day Deliveries! www.WatmoresTurf.co.uk/Manchester Mecca Bingo Official Site Join Now & Get Up To £50 Free Play! 5 Days of Free Bingo for Newbies MeccaBingo.com/Join_Now Bat Survey/Mitigation For cost-effective, client focused support call us on 0114 2669292 www.ecusltd.co.uk 10-Day Extended Forecast Accurate 10-Day Forecast & Weather Maps - Download WeatherBlink Free! www.WeatherBlink.com Grant paid - finally FRENCHWOOD Allotment Society has finally been awarded services and cash worth around £2,000 a year from Preston Borough Council - and the Liberal Democrats and Labour are both claiming the credit. The package for the society includes free water provision for tenants, five skips each year, cutting along the main paths, boundary repairs, pest control and cheaper plots for pensioners. The provisions are already on offer to council-run allotments around Preston, but had not been offered to Frenchwood because it is run by a society - saving the council around £10,000 per year in administration costs. Councillor Michael Moulding, secretary of the society, started campaigning for the cash around three years ago. But Councillor Ken Cole believes that the speed of the grant was affected by Coun Moulding's refusal to hand over the society's accounts, something Coun Moulding vehemently denies. Coun Cole said: "This is excellent news for plot holders at Frenchwood Allotment Society. "We could have handed the society these services earlier but for the secretary refusing to hand over the books for six months, despite an agreement with Preston Borough Council to hand them over. "These services bring Frenchwood in line with council-owned sites. "Finally, after a lot of lobbying, I can see my letters and phone calls bearing fruit. I am really pleased for the ordinary people of the society. They deserve this." Coun Moulding said: "The business about the accounts being sent in late is pure garbage. The council refused to give us funding several times over the period of three years. "We presented the accounts almost a year ago. "The funding has come right out of the blue and it's great news for us. It's a victory for us. "We are self-sufficient so it is only fair that the council makes a contribution to us, as it does to the other allotment sites - and we've said that for several years." If Salford Labour want to blame myself, have a go, name-call and abuse me then its all worth it if they change their minds and save the burial ground. I am no longer involved and I am on public record saying this for the reasons I have already explained. Michael Moulding, Deputy leader Community Action Party

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  10th July 2012 Sorry meant to say Preston Council lol

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  10th July 2012 Steve - I have been in politics on and off for many years. I agree with the legitimate issues you have raised but these are issues that need to be dealt with once and if the burial ground is removed. With our parties involvement nothing we can do will change matters. Even legal action may not have the required result. Politics can be a very nasty and horrible exercise. As you know I have been a member of the allotment movement for nearly 20 years. In Preston around 1996 I was asked by a community organisation namely the Frenchwood Allotments Association, prestons oldest allotment society and the only one self-managed in the city, to take over management because they were on the verge of bankrupty. This was at a time when I was already in charge of another allotment society Serpentine No 2 Allotments Society in Preston. I gave up my allotment which I had nurtured and managing an allotment society I had worked extremely hard to start all over again in Frenchwood. In 1998 I was elcted onto Preston Council as a Lib Dem Councillor. Preston was a Labour Council. For many years I tried my hardest to get that community group out of a mess so that they could carry on providing a much loved service in that community. I campaigned against preston Council managed by Labour in my role in the allotment movement to try and get the Council the funds they needed that they were already giving all other sites in preston on a yearly basis. The campaign went on for 5 solid years. In the end I persuaded the committee to call the Council's bluff after they rejected our application for yearly funding via leisure Committee to say to the Council we would disband the Association and hand over the site and land back to Salford Council if they did not reverse the decision at the next full council meeting. Labour Councillors stood up and admitted in public they deliberately deprived the frenchwood Association the much needed funds they needed to stay afloat because they chose me as their representative. At the last gasp they reversed their decision, gave frenchwood the money, had a pop at me in the process and I then moved on. Even today people still talk about what I achieved. The point I am making is that politics is vicious and nasty. We are dealing with a Salford Labour Council that has councillors who have made a very nice career and living out of "playing politics". In many cases as I have just described local politicians will even make decisions against others in the name of politics for the sake of it. There is nothing more I can do. I admit it. I cannot save the burial ground. Only the Labour Party in Salford or Asda if they have a change of heart can do it. The path is now clear for them to make the right decision if they deem it to be by referring the decision back as Howard Balkind says he will try and make them do. Lets hope he does and lets hope he succeeds. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader Community Action Party

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  10th July 2012 Thanks for the response at least it shows we can both discuss rationally without going OTT. Just surprised and disappointed after such an eventful and positive meeting the week before you didnt consult before you issued your press release. You declared defeat because a family pulled out.....however think back Michael, at the meeting, which went from 7.30 to gone 10pm...we were all positive, you were inviting certain individuals to next weeks meeting, it was only at the end of the meeting that I produced a contact and phone number. Now had i not done that then I am sure would be continuing, yes it turned out to be a shining light only to be dimmed and respect to the family, by monday morning. However we were no worse off than before we had contacted, so why did you feel the need to fly solo and release that statement. You started this Michael, respect, but you should have been there at the end and the end is not 2nd august, like I said in my previous, the second battle begins. If they do exhume then it HAS TO BE from the burial ground straight to Swinton Cemetery.....NOT WITHIN 2 YEARS thats an utter disgrace, am sure you will agree. OK, Good luck in your forthcoming campaigns. Steve

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  10th July 2012 hi Steve - As I was engaged in the political/democratic process when I became aware in early 2012 of what was happening, because of my "Save our Swinton" campaign where I have been campaigning for mutual respect between being Salfordian and/or Swintonian and also because of my Christian beliefs I decided, despite the many other issues I was dealing with, to campaign on this issue for the right and moral reasons. I know in my last comment I said "our" campaign has been well supported I believe it has. However, I also believe because of the stance I took I lost votes that I may have got. Many people unfortunately want the supermarket nomatter the cost. For the reasons the Labour Party have highlighted. Jobs etc etc. I stood my position and took the hit. You know at the first planning meeting I spoke on behalf of the families. At the second planning meeting I didnt even attend, even though I was urged by many to attend ? My reason is that I did not want my presence to affect the judgement of Labour Councillors. It failed. My absence made no difference. I made a very difficult decision for the reasons explained below. I made no mistake. I believe it is the right and proper thing to do. Of course, you have raised some very legitimate issues and of course I am ready to help in any way if these issues are not resolved to the satisfaction of families.. Most people know how to contact me if they ned my help. I have made a public statement to say we are no longer involved in the campaign. I have made clear that if Asda or Salford Council change their mind and find a way of retaining the burial ground then we can claim no political credit for it. I am hoping that our withdrawal will persuade all those involved to compromise to ensure the burial ground is saved. The Labour Party in Salford and or Asda have this one last opportunity to say they are prepared to listen and respond effectively to peoples concerns. Without our involvement. I doubt they will and to be honest I doubt that even Howard Balkind will keep to his promise, but if he does am sure his colleagues wont listen anyway. But we can only hope. Our motives can now no longer be questioned. All decisions along the way have all been made for the right reasons Steve. Whilst you are on I want to acknowledge your and all others efforts. All contributions that have been made to the campaign have also resulted in many of the above outcomes. Best wishes Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  9th July 2012 Michael I have no desire to fall out with you, however your last post just confirms what everyone said, you were leading from a political angle, I am not knocking that, you achieved alot and we are all grateful. But you achieved for your own ends as well. However the support groups that continue are fighting for the cause with nothing to gain other than an acceptable conclusion for the families. Now yes we may and probably are now fighting a losing battle, however as we fall we will pass that flag and carry on forward, we will NOT throw in the towel. You seem to forget that there are 2 issues here, yes if we loose then the second fight begins, to get the very best result for the families and ensure there is no delay in exhuming and reinternment. ( Notice of Exhumation says reburial within 2 years ) NOT ACCEPTABLE.......Was that not a fight you considered.....OR was it easier to pack in before half time. Why I have a beef Michael is at the last meeting we had altogether, we finished off, and correct me if I am wrong and there were 7 people at that meeting, we finished off by saying we speak as one voice.....remember.?? The other 6 of us do. then you take upon yourself to release a defeat statement off your own back....well the back of C.A.P. Have some courage and conviction Mike and admit that,easy to keep abusing and keyboard fighting...however takes a man to stand up and say I made a mistake. You will get no further "attacks" as you see them Michael, we are carrying on in support of the families that still want us to. Thanks

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  9th July 2012 I have made my position clear. I do not post as Joe Green. The following is an extract from my blog this week which clarifies clearly our parties role in the burial ground campaign :- "For many months I have been campaigning to help preserve the Swinton Unitarian Burial Ground for reasons that are well known. The Community Action Party is opposed to the removal of the burial ground. We believe Salford Council should have negotiated with Asda supermarkets to ensure that the burial ground is retained and to have the supermarket. We believe this was possible. Unfortunately, on the 14th June Salford Council approved development of the burial ground and within days the notice of intention to exhume the remains of 313 Swintonians has been published by Asda Supermarkets. In view of this and after consulting with families who we have been in direct contact with we have decided to end our campaign. I advised families that the only way the decision to approve the development of the burial ground can be changed is by a Judicial Review of the decision at Manchester County Court. We stand ready in the event any family wants to pursue this course of action. In our campaign, I have always had the interests of the families first and whilst I am happy to continue campaigns on a point of principle sometimes there are more important factors to consider. After consulting with families, I decided to stop the campaign because it is obvious no amount of noise is going to change anything and most importantly I felt it is now right to let the families have the space and time, dignity and respect to deal with matters privately, in what is an distressful period for them. The majority of families I contacted fully supported the decision I took and my reasons. It was an extremely difficult decision to make but I believe in the circumstances, to be the correct one. As the Community Action Party are no longer involved in the campaign, we look forward to Councillor Howard Balkind, Labour Councillor for Swinton South to keep to his promise to campaigners and ensure that Salford Council reverse the decision and send the planning application back to the Planning Panel. On such a serious matter, it is a heartless thing to do to promise to do something to campaigners who have passed this information to affected families and not stand by your word ? The Community Action Party cannot and will not take any credit in the event the burial ground is saved by a change of heart from either Asda or Salford Council. Our campaign achieved much :- Improved reburial rights for families. Acknowledgement of those resting via a commemoration plaque. Reinterrment of Swintonians in their home town at Swinton cemetery rather than the planned Peel Green Cemetery, Eccles. Education of the burial ground and hence improved respect for it. I am extremely saddened that I could not do anymore but I acknowledged my limitations and I would never promise what I cannot deliver when real families are affected. I am not an elected representative and I am not a member of the Council that approved development of the burial ground." www.mikemouldingcommunity-action.over-blog.com To the contrary I know our campaign has been well supported, especially in Swinton. Our parties campaigns will be continuing with vigour over the coming months including an 18 months campaign to oust Councillor Bill Hinds in 2014 for hising incompetent management of a department that lost us £130,000. Best wishes Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Salford and Proud ( member )  9th July 2012 Well, well, well Mr Greeen, or should I say Mr Moulding, I'll bet you feel a right chump now don't you? Let us be realistic here , I think we always knew that you were both the same person, a bit scary though when you started answering your alter ego back, minutes later, a bit like the dummy ruling the ventriloquist really. So where do you go from here, you would appear to have done a grand job of alienating yourself from every one, you can not be taken credibly by anybody after this, if you were before that is. My advice would be, sit on your balcony, watch the vegetables grow, have a stiff drink and bow out gracefully, somehow I do not think we have heard the last of you.

Comment by jerry ( member )  9th July 2012 Very simple this one. Who are you then Joe, how old are you, where do you work, do you live in Salford? Which school did you go to? Are you in the phone book?

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  9th July 2012 Salfordonline hold my personal details. I am not Michael Moulding. Joe Green.

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  9th July 2012 OK this is really SAD...And I am sure many of the readers have picked this up..... YestoMajor and Joe Green ARE one and the same person..Our very own Mr.Michael Moulding. Now he is Deputy Leader of the C.A.P...and has to reduce to playing childish tricks like this. Swinton n Salford people see the light...... Same message to Salford Online...why are you giving this guy airtime..??? Utter joke, must be more worthwhile, better organised, more trustworthy causes / campaigns that you can support. Wake up and smell the coffee, your just a sounding board for a very minority political wing, nothing more.

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  9th July 2012 Editor, Yes I take your point and my response last night was a little OTT, to which I apologise, not in a good place right now but not an excuse. Hopefully our pressure groups can now continue hand in hand with no more interference from politically minded individuals. To my mind it does not matter who started the campaign or when, its whose there at the finish exploring every avenue until there is no where else to go. i know I can speak comfortably for Gill when I say we both will go to the bitter end to try, maybe in vain, but try all the same to stop this horrible act of removing 313 souls that to date R.I.P. It really doesnt matter if Salford Council or Asda think Swinton Cemetery will be a better resting place, they have an agenda so they will say that......what matters most is what the surviving families think...And that is...Please leave our relatives where they are, in their chosen place of rest. I appeal to our elected Council, i appeal to Asda to please consider and look at ways in which you can work around the burial site. We all know its a massive plot Asda have purchased, the burial ground is small in comparision, I cant believe you cannot adjust plans to accommodate. Come on people get real...Swinton is crying out for you to do the right thing. !! Thanks, Steve, Swinton Unitarian Preservation Campaign.

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Comment by 100% F.F.S.U.B.G ( member )  8th July 2012 I think i know who you are Joe Green, your probably the wannabe LABOUR councillor who passed this idiotic application for ASDA. So you calling me a coward , about time you man up and meet me on the burial ground at midday on tuesday to have a friendly discussion. If you do not turn up , then who will be the coward then ???????

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  8th July 2012 Oh and BTW just took time out to read your little wasnt me story.....Vicious texts....hahaha ..you really are a sad man...be my guest to publish them, I have them on my phone as well, obviously....lets see if the public think they are as you described "Vicious"..LOL Your a total joke. !! In fact if you dont publish them within 24 hours, I will.!!

Comment by Guest  8th July 2012 Totally unbelievable this, i have had some tragic news in the last few days which puts life firmly into perspective..life is short, live it while you can. However I tell you what there are some power mad, I AM, people in this world. We are all entitled to our opinion, we are allowed by birth right to believe in what we want to believe, we support the causes we believe in with honesty and integrity. We do not need TIN POT pretend little hitlers telling us what we can and cant do. The fact that you MM deem YOUR CAP campaign is over does NOT mean everyone else has given up the ghost.You make many references to "The Families agree"...well you may be right BUT not one family has come on here supporting your stance...I suggest the families you refer to are a figment of your imagination....yes you have achieved but only with the banner of CAP, you had no real interest in the REAL issue. Your treatment of Gill is an absolute disgrace, thank god you have shown your true colours, which enables Gill to take the cause forward in her group which moves hand in hand with mine. yes we may well get beaten but we will stand to the end unlike you and your little party. Kop out,"I have made contact with and they agree " BULLSHIT and you know it..just a convenient get out. Your a self centred little moran who everyone this side of Manchester has the measure of.....so stop slagging off the people that have supported you, god knows why but at least they have seen the light. And as for the comments from JOE GREEN.....From the same IP address as you.....Well you SAD Person...Your A legend in your own bedroom. Community Action Party...with MM........Utter joke....no one takes you seriously. Now leave Gillian alone and let her and the remaining families campaign without your intervention. Thank you..Steve, Chair Swinton Unitarian Preservation Campaign.

Comment by mary ferrer ( member )  8th July 2012 I would just like to say, some of the people who have put comments on here regarding this issue are committing crime against the dead and their families.You shoud be ashamed of the way you have bragged this very sad issue into the gutter Some are ego trips, some trying to get brownie points and then we have the people who do care and are still trying to pou a stop to this vile moving of peoples loved ones from their resting place. I would just like the ones that can GROW UP,The ones on the ego trip, Bog off and let the good people who have no boxes to tick get on and try and put a stop to this crime against the dead. You the idiots and I am sure you know who you are, this council will be laughting at you and so will asda.

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  8th July 2012 Oh my oh my where are MM and Mr big gob Joe Green???????.....................DO NOT INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE . I swear I will be bigger and better than you both

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 How are your Hyacinths MM ?

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Dodging the question Mr (supposed)Green REVEAL YOURSELF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 Now you have raised the issue of pseudonyms and using the same analogy does that make 100% FFSUBG and La Bruja cowards too ? Joe Green

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Ha ha Mr Joe Green :) Why do you use a pseudonym ? Reveal yourself. Odds on you don't................COWARD

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 Salfordonline already revealed many weeks ago that I am under a pseudo name for all to see, as another person assumed I was someone else in view of personal attacks being made at that time but Salfordonline do hold my real name and can assure you I am not Michael Moulding. Joe Green

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Oh no reply then MM or Joe Green or whoever you really are. Cos me thinks you hold a deep deep dark secret :)

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Sussed Joe Green..................you silly little man

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Yes Joe Green I am in love with Mr Moulding if his alias is Brendan McDermott................

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Thank you salfordonline

Comment by Editor ( member )  7th July 2012 SalfordOnline.com does not condone the practice of individuals assuming multiple persona's and it is noted that Michael Moulding, yestomayor Salford and Joe Green are all posting from the same IP address.

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Playground antics spring to mind

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 Gillian - Are you in love with Mr Moulding ? Joe Green

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 Why are you having a go at me Gillian Welsh ? I have complimented you and tried to advise you. You have just made a complete fool of yourself. Joe Green

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Lets see how long it is b4 MM can hold his mouth . Off to the bookies to see what the odds are :)

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 I shall now leave the conversation and leave MM and Joe Green (whoever he may actually be) to get on with their sad little lives and let them bitch and back bite at somebody who actually gives a s**t ie not me !!

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 I shall be making no further comment - I will let others decide the implications of your question ? I am either a lier or you are ? END. Best wishes to all and good bye. MM

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 Gillian - Give up whilst you have any credibility left. You are making a show of yourself and undoing any good work you have done. Joe Green

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Total utter CLAPTRAP Mr Moulding and you bloody well know it . And may I pose the question as to why you are responding to my posts when you in your own words told me to never contact you on the matter of the burial ground ever again.........SHABBA

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 On a final comment from me Gillian Welsh I will let others decide for themselves the implications of your question when you and in fact many others who we campaigned with along the way which included delivering thousands of Community Action Party leaflets just on this one cause/issue ? The residents of the Poets Estate must have seen your twin sister delivering them ? Can I also refer you to the comment by Meldrew earlier when he attacks our Party and that of the Friends Group for the decision we made ? I may not agree with Meldrew on most of his vicious attacks but at least he had the honesty to admit that he knew it was a campaign I initiated on behalf of our party. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Why when you started the campaign did you NEVER mention to myself or any other persons that you had started it on behalf of the Community Action Party ??

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 From what I have read Mr Moulding you have done a great job and am sure the families are grateful for what you have done, what you have achieved, fought for and then respected their wishes afterwards and been honest enough to admit your limitations. There should be more like you. Joe Green Gillian I think you have done a good job too from what I have seen. Well done to you too but I am in agreement with Mr Moulding. Joe Green

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 I started the campaign in early 2012 on behalf of the Community Action Party. We achieved a lot Joe but unfortunately as Deputy Leader in consultation with families, we have decided to let the families deal privately with matters and all families know how to contact me in the event they need our assistance. All but 1 family we contacted supported our decision and in fact were extremely grateful for the couragious decision we made. As many said they are now able to privately deal with what are extrmely difficult and sensitive matters. We have taken the view that to continue to publicly campaign when families are trying to privately deal with in some cases distress we believe is inappropriate. We oppose what is going to happen but we see no merit in not respecting the wishes of the majority of families we have been in contact with. I am personally extremely proud of what I/WE achieved and believe there is nothing more we can do to change matters, unfortunately and we have been honest enough to admit this. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Anger management course booked :) And weren't you the one that said to me that when you've had a drink you wake up the next morning and think "oh s**t what did I put on facebook etc"

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 Mr Moulding the following was on your Facebook page "Many many thanks to Steve Langham Michael Moulding Sue Bamford and Gordon Bamford for their ongoing determination in our continuing fight against Asda" written by Gillian Welsh on the 29th June. Regards Joe Green

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 It does but the content of the report is accurate Gillian. Now can I suggest you use your much gained campaigning experience and stop being a keyboard warrior and get off your backside and do something useful for the campaign instead of being unable to control your anger ? Can I make two suggestions to you ? 1) Go on an anger management course 2) Keep off the computer when you have had a drink so that you are able to remain in control. It does you no favours and I get bored reading your continuous tripe. Regards Michael Moulding

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Correct me if I am wrong but it says "We have received the following press release from Michael Moulding"

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 For clarity - The person I have named as Sue has never been my friend and nor would I want her to be so you need to stop making assumptions Gillian. Michael Moulding

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 I am asking the two as mentioned Gillian. Please dont intervene. If I get a response you will find out in due course. Joe Green

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 The article is not from a press release but in support of Salfordonline it is accurate. I dont see why my communications with others has anything to do with you Gillian ? I dont stay in friendships that openly ridicule those they are suppose to be friends with. They are called two-faced hypocrites. Michael Moulding

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Anyway , why is this utter claptrap press release still on here ? Do salfordonline not monitor ???????????????

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Why would you ask if they are cowards Joe Green

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 And when exactly are you going to see them Michael as you have totally blocked them and ended your friendship (your words)

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 hi Matt Hi Sue ? perhaps we can chat when I see you both next to discuss in a friendly way to resolve ? Best wishes Michael Moulding

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 Thanks Gillian and accept what you say. 100% FFSUBG & La Bruga - Are you both COWARDS ? Joe Green

Comment by 100% F.F.S.U.B.G ( member )  7th July 2012 we are totally behind gillian welsh for the fight to save swinton unitarian burial ground , the certain individual to whom i have just read a load of garble , what kind of a world are you living in . shame on you . shame on you . we are in this to the very bitter end , we dont give up . unlike others.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 The campaign was started by me no-one else nor their expertise althought this has become invaluable. In other words they had NO idea. The October Nonsense then why did you not come forward ? Because when it was made public you researched the background ? Saving a burial ground needs a lot more than a few keyboard warriors in a so-called campaign on thieir part. I know a local historian has done afabulous job, not the one described here. Many have contributed and respectfully and reluctantly accepted although not in agreement whats going to happen. God bless mm

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 I have no lack of interest but nor will I make matters worse for the MAJORITY of the families who I have been liaising with who are trying to manage a difficult and awful situation. The last thing they need 3 weeks before possible exhumation is a song and dance and noise thats going to make no difference but a load of anxiiety. I am not in support. The unfortunate reality is unless legal action is taken NOTHING will stop what is about to happen. I am honest enough to recognise this through experience which means I am able to decide for myself when matters become so serious you give the families the space, time, respect and dignity they deserve. xx Michael Moulding

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 I want to say publicly that I have been in contact with various families who have been longstanding Swintonians. Not a single one of these familes has criticised my efforts and so far today respectfully I have their thanks and support. I will oppose and condemn actions that disrespect the wishes of the majority of these familes. Michael Moulding, Community Action Party

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  7th July 2012 There have been many internet campaigners who have done a valuable job in tracing relatives. These same campaigners are now trying to overide the wishes of the families they originally traced by trying to trace other relatives ? A disgraceful way to behave and as much as I am opposed I am playing no part. The blog sarcasti as it seems the writer as much as they can research history/ancestory which is extremely important, you have acknowledged your involvement being in the background of those that is and at the forefront of the campaign ? I am not going to get in a heated debate with these people. I was attacked when i did my best to help. I was attacked by some when I did my best cos they thought I had the wrong motives. Now, I am attacked cos I have been honest in the way I have described below. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader Community Action Party

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 And whilst I am still on my high horse why has MMs press release not been deleted by salfordonline because it is full of irregularities

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Yes I did stand for CAP this year you are correct I supported what I personally believed in not what MM or anybody else told me to believe in

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 No Mary the group DID NOT AGREE !!!! Myself and my new group are not and will not give up we will fight on and on and on

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Thank you la bruja . I have taken a stand and will continue to do so and everything you say is entirely true

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Joe Green I am certainly NOT having a go at you . I have no need or cause to

Comment by mary ferrer ( member )  7th July 2012 I am a little confused,first with all these groups all fighting for the same cause, which is to let these people rest in peace. Then we have Mr Moulding saying that the fight is over, may I ask this gentleman did he go to the group he says he represents and did the group agree to this, because reading this, that to me is not the case. If you work as a group you ALL make this kind of decision. I hope the fight goes on.If people like Mr Moulding back just because they fear defeat,then they should never have got involved in the first place. We don't win every battle, but you don't throw the towel in when things are not going your way. I wish the people who will carry on good luck. Gillian you know how to get in touch should you need anything. Mary

Comment by la bruja ( member )  7th July 2012 The Marionette has anarchy in his ranks I see! Manipulating people to create an illusion of sincerity. Well it looks like his lieutenants have rebelled………………. Oooppps sorry apparently the Community Action Party are not involved. Cock!. Good on you Gillian for taking a stand, please don’t take this a personal insult but for want of better words I hope you have “come to your senses” and ditched Octavian and his political aspirations . The crass little Augustus has relied upon the sincerity and knowledge of others throughout this difficult campaign, and now he walks away. The research and contact with families has been made possible through the dedication and hard work of local historians and other genuine people willing to put in the hard work, many of whom have stayed in the background and do not wish their names to be revealed, myself being one. As a group of historians we were made aware of the anticipated outrage with the burial ground as far back as October of last year when approached by local people and work began immediately, although quietly with no fuss and bother. Yes the Commonwealth War Graves Commission were contacted by Michael, who initially did not even know the name of soldier buried with military honours, only after other people had spent time and effort to establish the facts and paid out of their funds to purchase certificates did Michael make contact to confirm what was already known, no doubt he will dispute this! Hey ho the CAP have no interest in the campaign or so Michael will have you believe, so why in his above statement is CAP mentioned five times, sorry six if you include the headline title! Apologies if I missed any mention of the CAP……… three times mentioned in one sentence I must be careful that I don’t match the authoritarian! Leave the campaign to those who really care and on your way to your next hero based crusade. Hopefully now Mr. Moulding has declared his lack of interest many more local people will come forward and support the campaign.

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 I hope you are not having a go at me Gillian ? Its obvious you are mad but try to be calm. Michael Moulding did from what I have read and seen the best he could. Gillian I keyed your name in google didnt you stand for the community party this year cos you did so you was supporting Mike Moulding ? You were acquainted ? Friends perhaps ? Am just curious because of Michael Mouldings lengthy answer ?

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 And why do you keep harping on about the Community Action Party ? You and them decided to give the families space,time and privacy you say . The Community Action Party were never involved in the our campaign. Correct me if I am wrong but I never saw any member of the party (apart from yourself of course) at any of our meetings .

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Vicious comments ???? What vicious comments ?????

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  7th July 2012 Well I am mad !!!!!

Comment by Joe Green ( member )  7th July 2012 Oh dear how bad is this ? Meldrew you complimented me on another comment on another article but I have said the facts you relate to were obtained by evidence gathered by Michael Moulding ? I dont know whether you know but he has a blog at www.mikemouldingcommunity-action@over-blog.com or something like that. I am not doubting your sincerity in anyway. Gillian stop saying you are mad. It seems you are stressed from your comments but take a deep gulp of air and have a think cos from what I see you have ALL done a good job. Hope you well. Joe Green

Comment by Guest  6th July 2012 It would be extremely easy to ignore the vicious comments made by Gillian Welsh & Steve Langham. But on this serious matter I feel it is not correct to do so to ensure people reading get a full picture of the current situation. Since the beginning of 2012 I have been involved deeply in the campaign to preserve the burial ground for many of the reasons that are well known. Asda have submitted their application to the Ministry of Justice with their notice to exhume remains which could occur anytime after the 3rd August 2012. I was personally in contact with families who have loved buried in the burial ground who had no association with the "Friends of Swinton Unitarian Burial ground". The "Friends of Swinton Unitarian Burial Ground" was formed by me with the support of the Community Action Party. This group was also in contact with a further 2 or 3 families with one having significant involvement in the group. I have had no involvement with the "Swinton Unitarian Preservation Campaign" which is in essance a Facebook group led by Steve Langham. Steve Langham set this group up because he alleges at the time and periodically when things are not going well to direct his anger at myself. However, I hold text messages admittedly with vicious abuse all sent separately according the what seems the mood of this man at the time. I am a human being and on and off thoroughout this campaign I have received the most vicious and vile abuse you could ever imagine, not only from my political opponents but from those for some reason who do not believe that my motives ever been genuine. Steve Langham has been one of these. Yet, when the mood takes him I receives a text message from him urging my continued particpation, I was in it from the start and I quote "I take my hat off to you" yet only a few short weeks before the most serious and offensive allegations were being made by the same man. This is only a sample. There is much more I could make public. However, despite this claptrap I continued non-stop, despite my other commitments IE Salford Mayoral Referendum, Other campaigns, Salford elections etc, I continued to fight for this cause. I take what I do extremly seriously. Despite what Steve Langham and my political opponents say my first and only priority was that for the deceased and their families. It is them that matters. The families views must be respected. I will not lead anyone, especially families down a garden path on such a serious matter. I would never do that. Up to Salford Council making the decision to approve Asda we had every right to fight as hard as we could to persuade them to reject or compel Asda to amend their plans to ensure the application was amended to exclude the burial ground. We failed. The final family who had legal right to protest and delay exhumation until November 2012 was located and for some unknown reason private to the family they decided to not submit their objection. As they have burial & compensation rights it seems, this could be the only explanation to many. But so what ? What right have I or anyone else come that matter to judge how each family deals with what is an extremely unpleasant, distressful time for those involved ? I have made it clear to all families I was in contact with privately that I would support, advise but would not seek to pressurise families in any way as to how they wanted to manage these issues. Afterall, its their family ! In the past 2/3 weeks, Asda was approved, the notice of intention to exhume has been advertised as from 3rd August 2012 and the last family for their own private reasons have decided not to object. In this extremely difficult situation I telephoned all families I was in contact with individually to ascertain their views and to advise them, based on two decades of experience what can or cannot be achieved. In the event they wanted to pursue a challenge to the right of Asda to exhume, they would have to seek legal action. We all know what this means ? Risks, stress, loss of compensation rights, legal fees and perhaps bankruptcy at worse ? The Comunity Action Party via myself decided to give each family space, time, and to be honest the privacy they deserve to manage as best they can all the problems associated with their ancestors, relatives and loved ones being exhumed in what could be only a few short weeks away. As much as I would like to campaign, make some noise the reality is I know nothing we can do other than a family initiating legal action can stop anything. Also, it is not right that I should ignore the wishes of families I spoke to who made clear to me individually, their private views. What I can say is that 1 family were not in agreement with what I had to say but even so I know that for all families it is extremely difficult situation to accept. I take my responsibilities extremely seriously not only in our campaigns but as Deputy Leader cof our party which Steve Langham said you can fit into a Lynches mini bus. On this post I am not going to be political in response to someone who has been vicious at times in his remarks to accuse my motives in this as political ? How wrong and offensive this man is. I am not going to shout, make noise, sit by my keyboard as keyboard warrior when I know many families are trying to deal with matters as sensitive and appalling as these. I did my best and to be honest so did many others. Howver, the difference is the experience I have gained tells me when the time is right to say we did our best, we didnt fail, but to allow the families the privacy, the dignity and respect they deserve to let them now deal with matters is the least we all could do in the extremely sensitive matters. My public statement has been timed and dated because many associate my party with the campaign and rightly so but unfortunately it seems now that not content that the majority of families are reluctantly accepting their reburial and/or compensation rights and other services offered by asda, these campaigners are leading groups with only a few supporting to locate other relatives related to those that have decided not to object in the hope they could be persuaded to defy wwhat has already been decided by those located relatives ? This is the most disgraceful way to behave and I urge now all those involved to now let the process takes it course and in the event any family wants to seek legal action to stop what is happening, we stand ready to help, support and advise them along the way. The Community Action Party with our campaign achieved the following :- 1) We located families that did not know about the proposals to exhume their relatives/ancestors and i personally know they are grateful for this. 2) We achieved improved reburial rights which are above what is available in law by our campaign. 3) Local people became aware of the burial ground treating it with more respect. 4) Through our campaign to "Save our Swinton" I personally got GVA Grimley to agree to reinterr Swintonians in their home town of Swinton as those deceased are Swintonians the last reburial was 1962 when Swinton was not part of Salford and in respect to their individual identities. The original plan was to reinterr at Peel Green, Eccles. I and the Community Action Party is opposed to what is going to happen and that has not changed. Michael Moulding, Deputy Leader, Community Action Party 3

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  6th July 2012 I echo what Gillian Welsh has said, The Swinton Unitarian Preservation Campaign and Fighting to save Swinton Unitarian Burial Ground both continue hand in hand to fight until the bitter end. Mr.Moulding has NO right to make sweeping statements giving off false messages. He speaks only for C.A.P. Nobody else. The campaigns go on, yes we may be up against it now, however I and Gill will not have it said that our groups did not fight to the bitter end. We will NOT desert the families, unlike some. Obviously like alot have said, MM lead from a political gains stand point, now there is nothing to gain, hence the statement. Message to Salford Online......You really should be careful with Mr.Moulding..because he says press release on behalf of......you dont have to jump in and publish......you can get all of his party in a Lynchs minibus.....However our support Groups represent over 1000. Thank you

Comment by Chairperson of FOSUBG ( member )  6th July 2012 What is this utter rubbish. I was chairperson of the Friends of Swinton Unitarian Burial Ground until it was disbanded yesterday by Michael Moulding and taken off facebook and I am telling you all this IT WAS NOT DONE WITH MY AGREEMENT !!!!!! I am so flipping mad reading this tripe . Myself and Matt Andrews have now set up a new group called "Fighting to save Swinton Unitarian Burial Ground" of which I am Chairperson and we and some families are continuing our campaign. The Community Action Party were NEVER part of our campaign I am asking you Salford online to remove this article as it is a total untruth.I WILL NOT BE ANNOUNCING A DIGNIFIED DEFEAT.I am so so mad . Regards Gillian Welsh

Comment by Meldrew ( member )  2nd July 2012 To clarify, this post is from the Community Action Party and The Friends of Swinton Unitarian Burial Ground. They do not speak for the Swinton Unitarian Preservation Campaign who will continue the fight to the bitter end as long as thats what the families want from us. Things could change, who knows so until the cut off date in August, arguably November we will continue. Thanks, Steve Chair Swinton Unitarian Preservation Campaign.

Comment by yestomayor Salford ( member )  2nd July 2012 It is becoming unlikely legal action will be taken. MM